Recommend shared hosts with cloud backend?

Today, 02:27 PM Can you recommend reliable shared hosts that has a cloud backend (e.g., powered by Onapp or other self-healing system)? Note: Not looking for Cloudlinux but that's a plus if ever, priority is self-healing backend.


Today, 02:35 PM http://atomicvps.com/ offers what you need as far as Onapp etc., not sure how "self-healing" the environment is as a whole though.
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Complete Backup Solution For WHM Reseller Accounts Today, 03:23 PM Ask, what may I do for others?Hostway has FlexCloud sites, which I've heard a couple friends say is actually pretty good. There's also CloudWeb and Site5. And I believe VPS.net as well.

Following DW, though, if you search around you'll find that cloud shared has been more or less underwhelming up until recently. Often times, the regular shared variants have achieved historically better uptime and performance, free of SAN failures or virtualization bottlenecks; perfect example: MediaTemple's "Grid Server" (just search the feedback) or Site5's cloud shared, which if you look at their public uptime reports actually has worse uptime historically than their normal shared accounts (embarrassing, I would think). Now with Site5, as in VPS.net's case, I bet things have been improving considerably, or at least drawing even. But still, from what I've seen, cloud shared to me is unproven at best.

If find some agreement there, then I'd still take a bare metal shared account... not to write off the cloud options altogether, but I wouldn't put a mission critical site on one. Not until they show me a year's+ worth of superior uptime and performance across the board, especially to warrant paying what is typically half again the price.

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Today, 03:28 PM Originally Posted by mbr Can you recommend reliable shared hosts that has a cloud backend (e.g., powered by Onapp or other self-healing system)? Note: Not looking for Cloudlinux but that's a plus if ever, priority is self-healing backend.which location do you want?
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¦ Dedicated Servers | Cloud Servers [Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas - USA , Amsterdam] Today, 04:41 PM Originally Posted by Trip Hostway has FlexCloud sites, which I've heard a couple friends say is actually pretty good. There's also CloudWeb and Site5. And I believe VPS.net as well.

Following DW, though, if you search around you'll find that cloud shared has been more or less underwhelming up until recently. Often times, the regular shared variants have achieved historically better uptime and performance, free of SAN failures or virtualization bottlenecks; perfect example: MediaTemple's "Grid Server" (just search the feedback) or Site5's cloud shared, which if you look at their public uptime reports actually has worse uptime historically than their normal shared accounts (embarrassing, I would think). Now with Site5, as in VPS.net's case, I bet things have been improving considerably, or at least drawing even. But still, from what I've seen, cloud shared to me is unproven at best.

If find some agreement there, then I'd still take a bare metal shared account... not to write off the cloud options altogether, but I wouldn't put a mission critical site on one. Not until they show me a year's+ worth of superior uptime and performance across the board, especially to warrant paying what is typically half again the price.

I agree. I run a couple of Onapp VMs, it's not perfect however I like to think it's getting better. I really like the ability to scale fast but I don't like it when there are SAN issues or when fail-over isn't working as expected. Overall it's probably still quite equal to traditional hosting in reliability. The only thing I absolutely hate about traditional are the pro-longed downtimes when there are hardware problems, it's rare but when it happens, it's long and complaints add-up fast.

Right now, I have a small project which requires "adequate" high-availability but I'd rather "outsource" server management so I think shared cloud will fit.

Last edited by mbr; Today at 04:45 PM. Today, 04:44 PM Originally Posted by irfan-EyHost If possible Asia, but US West will do.
Today, 04:59 PM Ask, what may I do for others?Good points, m! I personally view the nature of how either product goes down as a wash, as downtime is downtime in my book, and it doesn't appear the traditional ways in which shared hosting can fail are any less "catastrophic" than the ways in which cloud fails... in fact, up until this point, I'd argue quite the opposite (SAN crashes taking down entire cloud architectures, domino-effect hypervisor failures, etc etc etc... it's like watching that video of those hydrogen-filled dirigibles hitting a spikey pole or getting a bullet or two pumped into them.... BOOM! Haha.

In all honesty, if you're looking for high availability in a shared environment, I'd rather opt for a straight up *cluster* (which I like to call "classic cloud") as opposed to all this new-fangled nonsense that is still, like we've acknowledged, very much unsolidified. Hosts like Cartika or FluidHosting, both of whom use H-Sphere, have had native clustering for years, and in the 9 years I've been with FH, I've had 99.96. Less than 1 m downtime per day ...for $10/month? Game over if you ask me.

So HA is definitely out there, and it's been out there in products long before all this "cloud" marketing jargon came about. Then again, I know you know that, but perhaps it just bears repeating.

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Today, 05:07 PM Ask, what may I do for others?Add: examining a bit, vps may actually have what you're looking for, m. They have a whole page just on their presence in Asia. Perhaps you could look into that?
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Today, 05:18 PM @Trip Right now, I haven't experienced domino effect, just SAN issues and self-healing problems which was resolved in a couple of hours (not faster than I expect). But, I can see the possibility of the whole thing going down. I am quite biased to cloud though as I think it's the ideal way of running servers, I believe someday it will be perfect.

By "classic cloud" you mean one server each for email, mysql, files right?

Today, 06:47 PM Ask, what may I do for others?Hi m,

I completely agree with you. I probably came off as way too one-sided against cloud, and I very much agree with your outlook. Just for critical stuff, I have to go on what I know works *right now*.

And to your assumption, yes, when I referenced *clustered*, I did so in the spirit of segregated resources for specific services, but also with high-availability, ie. failover, as well. So, no, not full-on "cloud" in the sense of complete hardware abstraction, but as close as the pre-cloud era ever got, yes.

Do I think cloud will eventually get there like you do? Absolutely. But as Tony so excellently referenced about Structure Europe, there's a lot of stuff out there that is just giving the concept a poor name. That said, I realize we must be patient, as the tech is still in its teething stages, especially all the way down-market at the shared level.

So yes, I do share the same outlook, even if my real-time view is a little more harsh.

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